In addition to sending screenshots to the Moderators, fellow curlers may be interested in a site I learnt about today -
http://www.RunningCurlers.com
You can upload screenshots there, even if only to make you feel better!
Time to "out" the Runners
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how do you know if the player is going to be a runner to take a screen shot you cant make out the yellow streek down there backs
PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO RUN IF THEY WANT WHO ARE YOU TOO SAY HOW MANY GAMES PEOPLE PLAY ........RUNNER
KIFF is a runner too. 1st end with the hammer, then gone. His playing history is filled with 1 enders.
I was asked to play, I did, I saw a runner and decided to make him known for that. No sweat.
There are players who want to play only 1 end. There are players who want to play 2 ends. There are players who want to play more ends. There are players who .... Sometimes players from these different groups meet, but this is no reason to call the other party a "runner", which has quite a negative tone imho. We have added quite a few features which helps you find an opponent with similar expectations in terms of gameplay, so it's up to you to find one. If you accept a challenge for a match with no preset number of ends, it means that the match will finish as soon as one of you quits. It does not make any of you better or worse. OP
So if you and I were to start a match and agree on 4 ends, then I leave after scoring a point with the hammer in the first end... that's fair, honest and sportsmanlike? You are clearly a person of importance here and I am clearly not, so I don't want to upset you but it's sort of like lying and that's a very annoying trait people seem to have. If it's upsetting to people to be "outted" as runners... I guess they should keep their word and not... run. I've agreed to 1 enders before and don't mind losing 20-0 to an honest/ fair person. There are some wonderful people on this site but they are far out numbered by the rude people. Like I said, it's no sweat off my nose and I plan on subscribing when my new pc gets here... but if you want me to stop posting in these kinds of threads, that's no sweat either. Have a good day.
"start a match and agree on 4 ends" that is exactly why a feature that allows you to set the number of ends has been implemented, in order to avoid such "misunderstandings". So why not use it? You might not need it obviously against players that you already know and trust, but it can help much against unknown players. Just an advice... OP
Sometimes I have trouble getting players to play vs. me so I can't choose a number of ends. manux5 asked a player to play 10 ends and ran after the first end. I checked his history and out of his last 10 ends he had 8 opponents. I have to assume he ran on all of them. A guy came in to watch the game too and he mentioned it. manux5 is a runner..... yes? Like I said, just posting names to help others avoid "poor sports".
Personally, I would set it at 2. Having a subscription and/or having been a user long enough to pre-select the number of ends makes a huge difference. Previously, I commonly had episodes similar to the one Oh-Canada had with
BreamBoy
, posted at
http://www.RunningCurlers.com
If the number of ends hasn't been pre-selected, I wouldn't object to opponents leaving whenever they like. If, however, players agree to play a certain number of ends I think this is quite different. "BreamBoy" agreed with OhCanada to play 4-ends then scuttled away after 1, triumphantly bragging about his 1-0 win. The cost of an annual subscription (~17GBP or ~20USD) is well worth it to guarantee avoiding players such as BB. And no; FlyOrDie didn't pay me to post this!
"to have games locked in for a minium of 6 ends" Well, you can do it for yourself... If there is no other (or not many) player who wants to play a minimum of 6 ends, then why should this be enforced for all? If there is such a player, then it would be obvious to choose that player as your opponent, wouldn't it. OP
"manux5 asked a player to play 10 ends and ran after the first end." Why don't you just set 10 ends in "options", then he cannot run without being penalized. OP
If your opponent does not have such a setting, then it is your setting that counts. If you have set 10 ends, and you are challenged by anyone, it will be a 10 end match, no matter what the challenging player has. If you have set 10 ends, and you challenge a player with no setting, it will be a 10 end match as well. OP
I should have been more clear, sorry. Neither player had the settings available to them.
I do have the option to choose ends, these others did not. And I plan to subscribe when I receive my new pc.
I just watched as Curlingero left the game before the final stone reached the house. He was going to lose 4 points and the game. It ended in a tie instead. What a runner.
PAPUA.NEW.GUINEA. Ran after I was going to get at least 3 in the first end. We set the match for 2 ends and he ran anyway. He was also abusive from the start so I am sending moderators a screenshot.
(thanks operator for taking of loudmouth ) the player would sit and let his stones time out so I went to the report abuse on his stats screen and reported him as a cheater in seconds he lost all his shots and I played my stones out till the end was finished !! brovo operator!!
RUS77
is a runner. Just as I was about to score a boat load of points. on my last shot he ran. Coward? of??? losing rating points on the internet. He must have nothing else in his life other than his rating here. Sad... poor RUS77
fredcurler
is a poor sport, he's like PAPUA.NEW.GUINEA. He'll bad mouth you for playing poorly and fill the chat box with nonsense to distract you. I should have taken a screen shot but I went to the lobby without thinking about the ss.
QOLF
ran after his last shot was going to be wayyy wide... He left before it even entered the house. All of these runners should enter a marathon!
Hi The tournaments starts the 4th of july, am I right? Wrong thread. Yes it starts July 4th.
http://forum.flyordie.com/thread.jsp?forum=40&thread=52815&tstart=0&trange=100
crazyodd is a runner and a complainer. 4 ends set and he ran after I scored a big first end, then the abuse started in the lobby, avoid at all costs.
Istanbul123 ran before his last rock entered the house because it was wayyyy off line, I got 2 but I think it should have been 4. He also kept typing while I was shooting, it was annoying.
Watch out for
leyM6
who split when I was about to set my last stone in the last end of a 2-end game. I would have won 5 or 6-1, but got only 3-1 because of that. What a chicken.
Another one today,
trematiro
, who left before my last stone stopped, making a 4-1 win only a 2-1.
And another! tk72no ran while winning 1:0 to prevent me the satisfaction of getting 5 in the second & final end. I won 4:1 so he saved himself a solitary point. He is now appearing on
http://www.RunningCurlers.com
where the upload process is surprisingly easy. I've never got a 5 before, hence the screenshot before taking my final shot - then he ran!
These screen shot have no reason to be published on your web site there was no fowl language or racial remarks runners do exist on this site state how many ends you want to play in the loby . If you are unable to do this then play play play till you can get enough time to use this feature.It isnt fare to run from a game but the game is programed to work as 1 to 10 ends . There has been a big improvement as to the way it was . programers took note of the complaints and made a feature were you can state the number of ends that you want to play use it just my opinion
tk72no ran while winning 1:0 to prevent me the satisfaction of getting 5 in the second & final end.
I had set the number of ends at 2, as implied in my post...
In a 10-end game, CHUS ran after scoring 4 in the first end. S/he then proceeded to post obscenities in chat when I called him/her out for being a runner.
Krowkaru1
ran before I could throw my last rock and we tied instead of me getting an easy 2 points for a win.
gearkv
runner. Also cant beat and wont play anyone his own rating.
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5484/runner.jpg
It would be better if you posted the non runners Runners do it just to get there names on the forum
You can add
mcplus
. 4 ends agreed. First 0:4, second: First stone out of bounds --> leaving
It would be better if you posted the non runners Runners do it just to get there names on the forum
Non runners can be posted at
http://www.RunningCurlers.com
also! There is a section for "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"
.........so the Good Guys can get a mention too!barca666
who has about 160 points challenged me to a game. I'm at 80 but accepted because not many people were online. He scored three in the first, quit and then started a game with someone else immediately.
Blastman
just played a newb and screwed the 2nd end giving up 4 and left before the noob could throw his last rock.
If you don't care stop looking at this thread!!! Others care and this thread will remain alive because once word gets around... those players will have fewer and fewer people to play.
Beaudog was set for 4 ends and challenged me but took off when he was about to lose the 1st end
Only one posting loosers names is team canada there are more runners than players only thing posting is doing is making more runners
Wagner Woods agreed to 6 ends of skins but took off after 3 ends...a well played enjoyable game that was tied up to that point...I just don't understand
roverbr
ran after the first end I got 3, it should have been 5, we agreed on 10 ends.
Kiff ran on wowitsme and Kiff's history shows all 1 end games, I played him and of course he is a 1 end runner.
Kiff
guardking you can set up ends in room and the runner are you because you left the game before the end, so you lost only 3-0 instead of 5-0.
He didn't run, but
HappyNewYear is guilty of the worst kind of bad sportsmanship.
We were in the 6th and final end of a skins game, with him/her leading 5:4 and lying "shot". As I was lining up the final stone of the end to take the match to a deciding draw he/she started repeatedly posting, having not "uttered a word" during the match. Needless to say it worked - I got distracted, and my draw was too heavy. He/she therefore won 8:4. He/she is welcome to his/her "victory".
We won't be playing again - ever.
Toni Robolt agreed to 6 ends of skins. I was leading 2-0 and we were playing 5th end worth 7 skins when he/she ran....
The Spirit of Curling
(from the WCF Rules) Curling is a game of skill and of tradition. A shot well executed is a delight to see and it is also a fine thing to observe the time-honoured traditions of curling being applied in the true spirit of the game. Curlers play to win, but never to humble their opponents.
A true curler never attempts to distract opponents, nor to prevent them from playing their best, and would prefer to lose rather than to win unfairly.
Curlers never knowingly break a rule of the game, nor disrespect any of its traditions. Should they become aware that this has been done inadvertently, they will be the first to divulge the breach. While the main object of the game of curling is to determine the relative skill of the players, the spirit of curling demands good sportsmanship, kindly feeling and honourable conduct.
Is it too much to expect all the gamers on here to conduct themselves Honourably?
(Rant Over!)
Lightnin110
ran before I could throw my last rock, I won by 3 but it could have been 4. What a poor sport.
wow you ppl are such whingers... wahhh wahhh i didn't get all the points i should have boohoo. i am going to run in the hope of getting my name listed on here, then I will become famous.
stop whining about us complaining. It wont do you any good. We're probably a lot better than u, anyway. Just leave it all on the rink, awalker.
tempoclick
is a runner. You may be deceived by the 128 rating into thinking (s)he is legit, but it's a ruse. We started a game, (s)he had hammer first end, scored a single, then left. Absolutely pathetic. What exactly is the point?
wo huilai le
is a runner. He ran after agreeing a 4 end game and getting a 2-1 lead in the second end.
A.elvis just left the game in order to keep me from scoring 5 instead of 4 in the last end. Pretty cheap trick.
he uses about 5 ids, you can tell because he uses the same terrible English, uses the same bad language and uses the same excuses
To avoid the runners sometimes it helps to state the number of ends,you wish to play, beside your name.
First of all that's not much evidence of anything and you can take more than 1 screenshot. On the main page of FOD on the top right, click "contact", then click "moderator contact form", post your complaint and add the attached screen shot and that's it.
kaesa reru
and
wo huilai le
are the same person. Bad sports/sore losers.
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2509/kaesa1.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8482/kaesa2.jpg
Kasparov-3 just lost to me 2-0 but when he threw his last shot he realized that he would lose 4 and ran before the rock could finish so he only lost 1 point. He is truly a runner and a very poor sport.
tamandua10
ran after a few ends when he agreed to 6. He did his mother proud the best way he knows how... running scared.
Cindy12345 didn't run but she didn't play the last end. Instead she just sat and let time expire
Delores ran after throwing her last rock of the last end in order to escape from me scoring 7...very poor sportmanship
Really had to toot your own horn there, eh? I would consider that a form of bad sportsmanship.
My apologies to Louis 123 as I accidently left our game when my son plugged in his ipod and launched itunes. I x'd out of curling while intending to close iTunes..sorry
leyM6 ran in the last end before i could score more points he also spent the game whining about how lucky i was every time he made a bad shot. A REAL BABY !!!!!!!!. When is the runners list going to be made you said after 100 replies???
I played three ends against
Bond270
. He had a rating of 249, mine was zero because I hadn't played in a couple months. Apparently he got more than he bargained for because I was up 4-0 after three ends and he quit. As soon as I returned to the lobby, he invited me to a new game. I had a bad end and gave up four points in the first. He immediately ran.
Had to come here to say that, eh? Any person with lots of experience coming into a game with a 0 rank is bogus. You should see that yourself.
Uh, what? I didn't play this game for a few months and when I came back I found my rating had dropped. Not that hard to understand pal. Anyway, just found another runner, SUPERBOY.
Um, no, you don't know what I sound like. You know what I type like. If you were going to resort to that comment, then at least get it right. Scrub.
Maybe I know who you are... and the fact that you think "scrub" is such an insult is hilarious. Try a little harder.
Give up on this ,fly or die allows runners and there is nothing that bitching or complaining is going to do
Doogie2 ran before i could throw last rock, preventing 5 from being scored. 4 was nice too though
=DTP= ran ran ran 2nd end of a 2 end match. I was 0:1 down, with hammer. Had just delivered my final stone - easy take out for a 4 so a 4:1 victory - when he (she?) ran. So =DTP= managed a 1:1 draw...
I've played lots of people who play one end, score a point and then leave suddenly. there are others who ... - leave in the middle of an end where it looks like you're about to score a point; - quit after taking a lead in the second or third end after being down by a point; - quit after agreeing to play a certain number of ends and don't; What can we do about these players, other than continue to "out" them in the public forums and public messaging areas. However, this does not stop them from creating a new account and doing it all over again. I'm getting tired of the "runners" and the ones who are very unsportsmanlike by making rude comments during a game. PS, Since when is one end considered a "match"? In real curling, a game is not considered complete unless 5 ends are played or an agreed upon set number of ends are played. It's very misleading to say you've won so many "matches" when in actual fact, you've only won ends, but could have lost entire games.
KimChenlr run when I had a takeout for 5. After quitting KimChenlr came into gamechat and tried to blame me as a runner. What a loser. -Erno
amik60: you can set the number of ends you wish to play.
http://www.playcurling.com/faq.html?topic=endnumber
Your opponent will loose many points when quitting before those ends are completed. You can also check other player's recent matches to see how many ends they tend to play. You can also look for players who have set the number of ends as you prefer. OP
Take care if playing jasondementia. In the second end of a 2-end match, he was leading 1:0. As I played the last stone of the match, with a very good chance of scoring 2 or more, he ran like a hare out a trap before I completed my shot, and salvaged a 1:1 draw. What a sad, unsporting player he/she is.
Jasondementia did the same to me. His last shot was bad and I could score 5 easily. He left so I "only" got 3 in that last end.
bounty1
left when I was to do my last shot in the second end. So I won ONLY 8-1. ;)
http://i.imgur.com/oapjs.png
GreenCameleon, a person with nearly 300 points runs when he misses easy takeout and gives me easy way to 3 or 4 points.
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2997/greencameleonrun.jpg
of corse system give me just 3-0 for 1st end.....is not fair when I set up 2 ends someone run and system not give me points for all ends what I set up...System work good for runners like him!
how many games do you need ,before you can set the number of ends to play?......Bannish the runners!
The not-subscribed players don't have choose setting the number of the games who they want. The subscibed players depend the opinion of them opponent. So It's better creating for who wants play one match a room and another ones for who wants to more than one or pairs games or 10 ends.
I didn't mind the strategy of
TeamManitoba
- he got one in the 4-ft and spent the entire end guarding it - after which he ran.
aka30
on the other hand ... we exchanged hits through 6 rocks each in the first end, and then i forced him to draw for his single on last rock. he drew for his single in the first end, and then ditched - complaining we spent the entire end "bowling". so beware both of these players - they will "run"
oOBATTRERYOo ran just as I was about to get 6. Just another loser like so many others here.
lacoberger just scored 3 in the first of two ends, then ran before the 2nd started, and the compu only gave me 1! Pls stop the running or fix the point scoring for runners
best looser ever!!!buchans... I set up match for 2 ends,in first end I have hammer.Most my stones was takeouts,then he start cry...I tell him:stop cry you don't know nothing about curling,when he miss last stones I have easy draw for 4-5 then he quit....I like loosers like he first cry after lost run...kiss from real player dude!
andrewC33
Second end of a 2 end game; he was leading 1:0 after the first end. I was about to play the final stone, lying 3 stones, to win 4:1. andrewC33 ran, so I "only" won 3:1. He didn't break the FlyorDie rules - but
andrewC33 is a really bad sport. We won't be playing again.
gfy
Scored 1 with hammer in the first of an agreed two ends. Ran. He/she too is on the list! I feel sorry for these folk.
I just finished a 2-end game with
Omer54
. He scored 1 in the 1st end. I threw a peel shot with hammer in second game that should have given me 4 points,
Omer54
left early giving me only 1. I have a screenshot image to verify this outcome. I tried posting it at the "running curlers" site, but was unable to get that site to load. In my mind this is the worst kind of poor sportsmanship and is not at all typical of good curling etiquette.
Omer54
was sitting with 1 point prior to my peel and he should accept the rating point loss as a part of the game.
CrashDavis
2end match. About to lose 4 in the first end; but ran to limit the damage to 3 overall in the match. Sad.
There are too many runners to out. Anyone I play that gets a 3 point lead runs. Its the most frustrating part of this game.
You're aloud to leave when you want unless you set the number of ends... Why is this such a hard concept for people to understand?
"I checked his history and out of his last 10 ends he had 8 opponents. I have to assume he ran on all of them." Although I agree it is wrong to challenge players hoping to win the first end and leave, it is also wrong to make such a ridiculous assumption. First of all, one of his opponents who only played one end and beat him could also have been 'a runner'. But the more important point I want to make is that people have lives. Some people might have to quit a game to feed their crying babies, some people play while working and might have to close the window before they get caught (or might have actual work to do), or some people might only have 30 minutes to play before going out somewhere. Not everyone has an hour and a half to play a 10-end match. And if the Operator is suggesting a player is penalized for agreeing to a predetermined amount of ends and leaving early, there's your solution.
Different stragety is used when playing multi-end games then what used when playing one end games . Its show poor sportsman ship to quit a game after one end or even two ends .I have notied that most p-layers that have high ratings are runners and play only one end if they score and lose the hammer they quit the game and then brag about how good of a player they are .If they played more than one end they would lose the game.This is cheating
show me in the rules where it says you cannot leae after 1 end ??? you cannot1 end or 10 its up to0 the indiidual how many he plays...
'Sour grapes' seems to be the main theme here. As mentioned numerous times already, set a predetermined amount of ends and you have nothing to complain about. There are many people out there who type in the lobbies that they'd like to play 2 or 4 ends. Of course, if their rating is 50 and yours is 175 and you challenge them, apparently that's also 'cheating'. How it's poor sportsmanship to leave after two ends is beyond me. Two ends means both players should have had an opportunity with the hammer. If not, it means you gave up two steals, and I've seen players do that and then THEY quit because they think they're not good enough to score/win against the other player. Technically, isn't that poor sportsmanship too? Bailing on the match because you know your rating is going to go down even more? Finally, I think being jealous and posting that most high-rated players are runners is probably the definition of poor sportsmanship. How somebody can look at a player's last 10 ends and claim they know how that player has strategized over the last 7000 ends is hilarious. For the record, I'm a 94 rating (highest I've ever been), and based on what most people are saying, my last opponent must've been shocked that I actually kept playing after scoring 5 with the hammer. And then when he responded by scoring 2 and giving me the hammer back, I had to leave. That was after 4 ends. Am I a runner because I had to leave after 4 ends and I was winning... even though I was about to have the hammer? If I was a true 'runner', I would've scored with the hammer in end 5 AND THEN left, wouldn't I? Of course, I'm sure someone will look at my recent history and figure it all out.
As the best player on this game, I respect you tank. You are no runner and a fair player. There should be more players like u around her!
You guys seem to be missing the point. I think the whole aim of this thread might be to name those who are poor sports - who others may not wish to play!
lizzynb
and
gutachter
both recently ran just as I was about to play a scoring shot - during an end. I got some points; but would rather have had the satisfaction of finding out if I could indeed have "scored". Please tell me if you think running in this way is good sportsmanship. If you do, then please don't play me! Unfortunately there is no way of muting these folk to avoid them in future - when they run they run. In my opinion this thread serves a useful purpose. But if you disagree its no big deal.
More runners: bigmitch20 1outlaw Both left after scoring in the 1st end and were right back in the lobby.
>Unfortunately there is no way of muting these folk to avoid them in future Why can't you mute them if I may ask?
bigmitch20's rating has gone from 70 to 118 in less than an hour. He wins the first end and then runs. Douchebag.
Hello Operator, I posted "Unfortunately there is no way of muting these folk to avoid them in future" You asked "Why can't you mute them if I may ask?" Perhaps I am missing something, but how do you mute somebody after they have run? I don't think you can - you just have to try and remember who the runners are. Assuming, like me, that you only want to play other fair minded individuals.
I should add that usually the runners aren't in the lobby - they just disappear! If in the lobby it is easy to mute them.
Type \mute player where "player" is the name of the player you wish to mute. In case you do not remember the exact name, you can get it from your own player info page, listed among your previous opponents.
Hey Operator, Thanks for the tip! This really is a great game we have here, but just occasionally you come across folk that spoil it. "Eve"
tahc
Ran just as my winning rock at the end of a 2 end match was about to stop - so sneaked a draw. Expertly done, with perfect timing. Welcome to the Hall of Fame!!!!