Bonjour, 

Il faut un système qui limite le changement de fenêtre. Votre solution n'est pas possible, car le joueur peut utiliser un programme sans que vous le sachez. Il y a pleins de programme qui n'ont pas le signe. Ou si ils ont le signe, il change de pseudo... Beaucoup de personnes disent que Flyordie n'a pas un grand avenir, vu le nombre de programmes, tricheries, menaces, d'insultes... 

Bonne chance à tous

TRADUCTION :

hello,

We need a system that limits the change window. Your solution is not possible, because the player can use a program without you knowing. There are tons of programs that did not sign. Or if they have the sign, he changes his nickname ... Many people say that FlyOrDie not a great future, given the number of programs, cheating, threats, insults ...

Good luck at all

Hello all. Hmmm Petit, you say we need a system that will limit the change in windows but what is the likelihood of fod actually setting that system up? Fod hasn't added anything to the program detection system as far as I know.

And for the programmers who don't have a sign yet, there are 3 solutions:

1) Watch some of their matches and see how they play (all programs have distinct moves)

2) Check their info page and see their statistics. Most programmers and point bankers have almost perfect statistics (some good-fair players have perfect statistics as well but rarely)

3) Play other fair players that you trust. 

Programming isn't ever going to end but we can make it easier to detect programmers. Also, if you suspect someone prog, tell your friends (only good players can make such judgment though)

It also seems to me that the changing window method will not work because once you finally find out someone progs, you've just lost the game :p. In order to make your method work, the programs must lose instantly as soon as they are detected (and as I said the likelihood of this happening is next to none on fod)

Goodbye to all 

Two questions. 

First one. How do you recognize a progger before of a game? Prob you know all them. Even them seconds accounts. Right? Via is trully recognazible when you are playing as starter. Velena is the same. Titot is recognizable by it break. It happends the same with Mustrum and Velena also.
Second one. Did you were a programmer before? Your post shows it. But I think that I'm be wrong. :p

 It's impossible you find out a progger before of a match. So... You only recognize them if you know them before. You can't recognize a programmer by the stats. The stats don't show you who is who. The stats only gives you an idea of who is who. Please don't give excuses about the stats. You only can suspect about this user and not acuse him. However, the only poit that I can agree with you it's just the stats helps you to find out the runners (programmers and non-programmers). You can find out the some pointbankers (those pointbankers who are really desperated for the points) depending the nicks registed on the cheater's stats. The only prove that you have it is the register(exemple the screenshot).

The best system is the system which recognize directly some the prog. To play here you need the java or the flash. I think if there were any aplicantion which detects the progs. Inthink some similar aplication can solve it. 

Bonjour, impossible de reconnaître un programme sans l'avoir jouer ( exemple hamouda programme mais que contre les forts. Donc tu peux aller voir ces matchs tu ne verras rien de suspect. Tu pourras aussi regarder ces stats. Elle a perdu beaucoup de parties. ) 

Ma solution dit que si il change par exemple 5 fois de fenêtre, il est déconnecté. Donc si le joueur se sert d'un programme, au bout de 5 changements de fenêtre il sera déconnecté, donc il perdra la partie. Il ne pourra changer que 4 fois de fenêtre, or tout le monde sait que ce n'est pas avec 4 changement de fenêtre qu'ils gagneront lool. ( et les bons joueurs pourront toujours changer 4 fois de fenêtre par partie pour aller sur youtube ou autre... ) Ils pourront prendre n'importe quel pseudos, ils ne pourront pas utiliser un programme. Alors que maintenant si ils ont le signe, ils changent de pseudo...

Bonne chance à tous

TRADUCTION :

Hello, can not recognize a program without having to play (exemple hamouda program but against the strong. So you can go see these games you will not see anything suspicious. You can also look at these stats. She lost a lot of game. )

My solution said that if it changes, for example 5 times the window, it is disconnected. So if the player uses a program, after 5 changes it will be disconnected window, so he will lose the game. He can change that 4 times window, or everyone knows that is not changing with 4 window lool they will win. (and good players can always change the window 4 times per game to go on youtube or other ...) They can take any nicks, they can not use a program. So now if they sign, they change their nickname ...

Good luck at all

Parasita, nice arguement :)

No, I wasn't a programmer but I have played them many times to realize most programmers play the same move as each other (it doesn't take a genius to figure this out ;))

Yes, you are correct about the not knowing the programmer before you play them. However if you are a old player (I can see you did come here some years ago) you probably know most of the blatant programmers, runners and point-bankers.
My only question is: Why do you play some of them when you already know that they use prog/run/pointbank?

Thanks for your time

read my guide for avoiding programs :) 

http://forum.flyordie.com/thread.jsp?forum=2&thread=54082&message=445019&q=#445019

Petit Coeur

The same argument no. Petit Coeur, I'll give you an exemple. Where you go on the internet, your computer is invaded by many things. They are the hackers, virus, they are cookies from the websites where you go. You need some applications or to play online games or then listening music or even to watch videos. Right? How you know, the website's systems recognize the recomended progs. They scan all your computer to find the application required.

On the internet everyone has the acess to your computer. So If you create a system which could scan the computers and you'd detect the progs working. It'd be more trustable than any other system. And the fod's players could decide to play or not. If I am doing anything else and I'm playing at the same time, the system'd prejudicate me. And other thing. The cheaters'd use it as an excuse to them pointbanking. The only problem, in my idea, is find out anyone interested to create this mechanism. 

Swordless

Yeah!! I play here almost 3 years. I only know the old cheaters like d-dogs, waz101, brooklyn and cia. However I don't know the new cheaters.

 The answer is simple. I'll tell you 2 reasons. 

º1st one: Even the game looks bored, because many people and even progs make the same movements everytime. But... I still loving to play c4. Actually, the fod is the better place to play because. There's not another website better than this. For now, I don't have choice; :p

º2nd reason: I don't know all them accounts and I don't all the proggers. Sometimes I call them by wrong nick lol. That's not for me, but that's for the people who really wants to learn this game. I'm not selfish. So this is the reason for I've answered your post. There's people who deserves to player in a good place. There're people who doesn't know the cheaters. Nobody deserves to be cheated. Even the own cheaters :).

Cheers!!!

So if I create a new account and I've collected many of the points so fast. In your opinion, I'd be a progger?:O

The stats don't prove anything. The stats give you an idea of the player. There are some people who turns back the games. There are people who creates more nicks. Some good players join to the flyordie (that's a rarity B-)). So you can't find out who is a progger or not. The runners you can find them.

The stats'd be trustable if many of c4's players were good players. The players'd have more difficulties to collect pts. Actually, it's so easy collecting points until the 400 or 500pts.

So far there has been many replies.This may be a little off topic but I'll give it a try ;)

First of all, although programmers are a major problem, running is just as bad as using a program, probably even worst. Both however severely cause damage to my points (yes they are precious ;)). Second of all, there are way more runners than programmers (not to say there are also many programmers as well). 

Just take this into thought

Thanks for reading

Hey, I agree with you Swordless. Running is worst thing than programing. Specially, when I want to break the breakable programs X-(. We are here just to play against another persons. Who wants to play against a program, this person only needs to find out the program, this person can intall the program on his computer and this person can do whatever it wants.

 The C4 is not a competition of the points. C4 is a competition of knowledge. Who knows more or who is more strong, the score'll prove that. That's like all competitions. Win who is better;-).


 In online games, the cheaters don't have competitive spirit :O. Or them competition is like to play a lucky game like EuroMilions :|

Would be interesting if the flyordie creates rooms specially for who wants play just singles games and rooms for who wants to play pairs games. So now follow my idea. A better programs system plus rooms for who wants singles games or then pairs games, flyordie'd be more competitive.

Cheers!!

I don't believe that the current connect 4 programs are breakable unless your red because the program breaks no longer work on players who use programs. 

Anyways, about the 1 game room and 2 game room thing.
More than half of the c4 players like to run anyways so most of them would probably go to the room where 1 game is allowed. Also, even if the fair players go to the 2 game room, the room wouldn't last for long because there's probably only around 20 good-fair players. 

The Programmers also like to run and since there will probably a sufficient number of players in the 1 game room, the progs will have no need to play at the 2 game room unless they turned over a new leaf for some strange reason.

Yes c4 is a game of knowledge but unfortunately most of the good players don't play you unless you have enough points because otherwise the good players would lose points if they played you (that's what I meant when I said that points were precious)

Some of the connect 4 programs out there ARE still breakable.

Let me take an example: The currently newest version of Mustrum is 2.1.2. But it still has many major bugs, letting you win when going as second player. A problem in the discipline defeating a buggy program is to guess which program and program version the cheater is using.

In the cases where I could break a progger, it was claiming too many trials. Even if the cheater's prog was being "broken" in the end, he/she has gained more points than he/she lost. Even if someone doesnt care about points, the cheater does and is still smiling.

Im sure, sometimes it may be very difficult to tell if someone progs or not. It may be also mixed: playing sometimes with prog and sometimes without. While you can defeat all system scanning mechamism using a second computer (i.e. laptop), I had have been in some situations in which a C4 player had two different opinions about the cheating "yes/no" question for two different nick names without prog and all belonging to me - but not revealing the relationship to just one person. I think, this shows that it is a very clear sign that a player cant trust its own instinct.

That means: You have to TRUST a player. Trust or dont! Yes, even no YouTube video "proof" will prove anything, it could be all faked using an assistance outside the camera focus.

The progs still breakable. You only need to find out the break. For the mustrum 2.1.2, I know 5 breaks. But they don't result everytime. One of my mustrum's break is online at youtube :p. Right MasSter?? lol

There are many people who likes to run. But, possibly, many people who left the game maybe they can come back again or not. It's just an idea.

The ancient players didn't care about the points. And actual players don't care also. Usually they are the false fair players or then the runners who don't accept to play against others good players for 2 reasons. 1st one. the points and 2nd one they don't want to be broken :p.
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The progs are detectable. The only problem is, it's hard to prove that. There are many people who learns this game with them (the progs). Vianiato is detectable depending the books. Via have some books very hard to detect. Via can be detectable by antis. Them antis are totally standard. The others progs are recognizible by them breaks or characterist moves. 

One thing about the whole programmer thing.
Quite recently have I entered a connect 4 room
only to hear some player accusing another newbie 
for using a prog. I then played the newbie and beat
him as both red and blue. Some days later when I entered again, another newbie was being accused of programming
and then yet another. It seems to me that most players
accuse without an idea about prog moves to just to let
u know, instead of accusing everyone, just let 
good players like me and others do the job.

And my friend Para, how's it been? Has the programming issue gone down? Also I searched all over for your program break vid on youtube but only found cymantex's :(

One question. Have we talked before? You called me Para. If you called me para, that's means you've known me before. Am I wrong? And you reminded me again one person.:p

Have you thought that you might have broken a weaker program? Nope! If you've already though it before you'd not have posted that. However, you also are right. Many people makes accusations without an idea what they are speaking, specially, when they are frustrated. Even, there're people who accuse others of what they themselves are!!

The programs are a problem, specially, for who loves this game or for who loves challengings. If you don't like it, you don't like. If you like, I don't understand why you think the proggers aren't a cause for complaint. We can't avoid them. So, we need complain!

You have more 2 vids. Check out the MasSter's vid and the Dalsa's vid. You can see there 3 breaks for mustrums 2.1.1 and 2.1.2.

 Ps:. You remind Ferite. He thinks like you.

bonsoir Swordiess ce n'est pas parce que tu gagnes un joueur en rouge et bleu qu'il ne programme jamais ! moi j'ai déjà de nombreux programmes et je les ai breaké. Ils m'ont dis qu'ils ne veulent pas utiliser le programme contre des joueurs qui en utilisent pas ou contre des joueurs qui ne run pas ... Et moi personnellement je préfère être runné que je contre un programme, car on peut breaké un joueur, or un programme les chances sont très réduite et surtout très ennuyeux ... bon jeux !

Make c4 full screen a fullscreen game and when you press Alt you automatically leave/lose a game? Maybe that can work.